Turkish Uniforms continued

Below: "Kabalak Turks"
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Below: "Kurtulus Savasi Karadenizli Ceteciler" (Independence War, Black Sea band)

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Below: Lebanese, pre-1913.
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Below: See Google-Life Photo Archive for more from this series on the 172nd Regiment's maneuvers in 1940.
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Below: Mehmed Sevket Pasha, died 1908.
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Below: Independence War commander Nuretti Pasha.
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Below: Monastir, 1908.
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Navy, 1910s.
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Below: Nousret Pasha.
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Below: 1910s, officer.
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Below: What do you think? 1920s maybe?
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Below: Navy?
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Third/fourth from bottom, no British RSM would have let any senior officers unbuttoned pockets go.
One must have higher standards than that!!!
Nice set of pictures.

I have doubts regarding to items of insignia during ww1:

- Army NCO rank badges. I´ve seen two versions. One of them with rank bars on the sleves.
- Navy officer summer uniform shoulder straps. The design.

Thanks

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Below: Uskub, Macedonia, 1890s.
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Below: Something to do with Austrians.
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Below: Naval Cadet.
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Below: Ottoman official in Bulgaria.
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Below: Note Greek writing on studio frame.
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This link may be of interest to you, a number of Ottoman uniform illustrations although very good, as with most illustrations in books of the time there's no great detail.
I got the title from Sarge Booker and then found the link below for the pdf download.
I assume it will be of further interest to those of you who can read the text.
http://www.archive.org/details/osmanlitekitatve00mahmuoft

Regards
WF

Many thanks WF and mconrad - there is a lot of valuable material here on a subject which is not covered in too much detail elsewhere.

Regards

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Below: Lots of snow. Funny looking little guns. Mountain howitzers?
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Below: "Students."
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Below: The Turkish WWI helmet.
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Below: 1930s.
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Below: 1930, Canakkale, Armored Car Driver.
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Below: 1936, infantry.
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From English newspapers (1885 artist Caton Woodville) showing the Sultan's forces on the march and in combat. Note the zouave style uniforms and greatcoats. Unusual to see a 'rear' picture like this.

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A prince as pilot of the Turkish AF. The badged lambswool cap is imposing to say the least. I think he wears the Gallipoli Star

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Labelled as the National Guard. Is it an engineer? I seem to recall they had an unusual khaki uniform with pockets on the upper sleeves.

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Not too sure about the mounted soldier in a red jacket.

It does look like a French spahi strayed into the picture by accident but I do have an illustration of a Turkish bashi-bazouk officer of the 1880s wearing a red zouave style jacket. Interestingly both the Ottoman Sultan's Guard of the period 1913-20 and the band of the modern Turkish gendarmerie wore/wear red uniforms, so the concept of red-coats is not an alien one to that particular military culture. The groups in the background are Greek (centre) and Romanian (right) of the late 19th, early 20th centuries. The figures at left are a mystery - don't match very closely with any Balkan army of the period.

Thank you. Any chance of an illustration or photo of the Gendarmerie band? Sounds like an unusual uniform.

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As requested. IMHO it would look better with a fez but then what would Ataturk say?

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Not too sure about the mounted soldier in a red jacket.

Red jackets are for 1st and 2nd Cavalry Regt. of every Army Corps, blue for 3rd and 4th.
Italo

A German interpretation of Turkish uniforms and rank insignia in the late 30's-early 40's; for some reason, generals have not included ....



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iffig
Thanks for posting this.
Is this from a book that you have or a plate found on the internet?
Reason I'm asking is that there may be one or two more pages with further ranks that would be nice to see.
Here's a couple of images of a generals uniform from the first world war from the Askeri Military Museum guide. This shows the addition of an extra bar for the Generals.
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Hello!
It is a folding page from a book which, unfortunately, I do not have.
The chart comes from the Internet.
The Germans have issued a whole set of "Know a Country's Armed Forces" booklets. Some are relatively easy to find (USA for example).
Some are much more difficult to find (Greece, Hungary, Bulgaria and so on).

Iffig
I’ve never come across any of the books but have seen the single images from the books, mustn’t be doing the search right.
Here’s some pages of the Turkish ranks for the from the NATO information booklet printed in France during the 1950’s.  
I scanned this book some time ago and it’s been posted elsewhere so it should be easy to find.  The scans aren’t very good because of the way the books put together with pins doesn’t make it easy to scan, I didn’t remove the pins as they can be quite difficult to put back together again.
You’d think that NATO would do something like this for today’s uniforms & ranks as a pdf download, rather than those hopeless posters that they produce.
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Thank you.
I knew this booklet.
A set of illustrations of NATO uniforms and rank systems have been published in late 50's (I would say) by  the United Kingdom’s Ministry of Defence (Army Department) and printed by Macmillan Ltd. Derby. They are declassified by now and can be found here:

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/photos_122052.htm

Here is the Turkey page .... Note that "Les Uniforms de la Turquie" is misspelled in French  

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I thought that you may have seen the booklet, though it does show the point regarding the NATO Posters.
It's just my opinion, but considering the advancement in technology and the ease in which they could provide more detailed information.
NATO posters are basic to say the least, you can get far more detail from the older booklet than with any of the posters they provide.
There's thousands of information posters that could be made available to be put into pdf format but have probably just ended up in the skip.
Back in the seventies you were inundated with information booklets and posters, I remember one on the German insignia that was quite detailed, but I've have never seen a copy in the public domain.
Also information on cap badges, again they just seem to have disappeared or maybe my memory is starting to play tricks with me