Uniforms of the Amalgamated Yeomanry regiments

I'm trying to find any info on the Uniforms of the Yeomanry Regiments that were formed from amalgamations in the late 1950's. Specifically, the No.1 Dress uniforms of the Queen's Own Lowland Yeomanry an the Queen's Own Yorkshire Yeomanry.

Hi
I believe you probably already know this but just in case you don’t here goes.
Queens Own Yeomanry was formed in 1971.
The badge, a running fox with title scroll beneath was formally worn by The East Riding of Yorkshire Yeomanry.
Soldiers badge is anodised aluminium, Officers silver and gilt. The officers beret badge is wire embroidery.
Until 2004 the Scottish squadrons wore the grey beret of The Royal Scots D. G., all squadrons now were the blue beret.
Y (Yorkshire) squadron was formed in 1971 from the Queens Own Yorkshire Yeomanry which itself was formed from the amalgamation of The Yorkshire Hussars, The Queens Own Yorkshire Dragoons and the East Riding Yeomanry in 1956.
The Queens Own Yorkshire’s badge introduced in 1956 was the white rose, crossed lancers, Queens crown with motto scroll. The design of the badge was taken from The Yorkshire Dragoons and Yorkshire Hussars, the motto ‘FORWARD’ I believe came from the fox hunting call.
East Riding Yeomanry formed 1903
The Yorkshire Hussars formed 1794.
I believe this to be correct, Don't have uniform details, just badge info, hope it’s of some help.
WF

Thanks wfrad, most of the info I've been able to find for the QOYY is post 1971 when they became a squadron of the QOY. The QOLY info is almost nil..........

RaRay
Here's what I know of the history, it may be of use to you!
The Queen’s Own Royal Glasgow Yeomanry in 1849 provided the escort to Queen Victoria and the Prince Consort on a visit to Glasgow. Afterwards the regiment was given the Royal prefix. Their badge was the Royal Crest of Scotland over a wreath of thistles in brass. The regiment was converted to Field Artillery after the First World War and continued as such until1947 becoming part of the Royal Armoured Corps.
During WWII the badge worn on the field service cap was a lion sitting up inside a circle bearing the full title in brass.
After about nine yrs [1956] the regiment was merged with the Lanarkshire Yeomanry and the Lothians and Border Horse to form the Queen’s Own Lowland Yeomanry.
The new badge was the Scottish Royal Unicorn on a pair of crossed swords, points upwards, a brass scroll below the unicorn inscribed ‘The Queen’s Own Lowland Yeo’.
In 92 the Scottish Yeomanry was formed;
HQ sqn. was Lothians and Border Horse.
A sqn. Ayrshire Yeomanry.
B sqn. Was Lanarkshire and QOR Glasgow Yeomanry.
C sqn. Was Fife and Forfar Yeomanry Scottish Horse.
Regards
WF

Thanks Wfrad,

Here's what I've found about the QOLY uniform. I found a request in the national archives by the regiment to change their No.1 Dress cap (I think) from the standard 'Royal' pattern (i.e. like worn by the Royal Artillery) to a new version. From the request, the officers wanted to wear a French Grey cap with a dark blue band. Other ranks would wear a blue cap with a french grey band. I want to say that they made this request in the early 1960's but I'm not sure if it was ever approved.........

Was the standard cavalry No.1 tunic worn? Were the overalls the light cavalry (twin yellow stripes)?

Also, with three different regiments combining (2 dragoon and 1 lancer), I was wondering what full dress uniform was chosen.

As you can see, I have way too much time on my hands!

This may give you an idea of the uniform. this was taken from Ray Westlake and Mike chappell's British Territorial units 1914/18..
As you can see, I've also too much time on my hands so don't tell 'SHE WHO RULES'.
I have a list, in-complete, of facing colour for around 1890/1900. but the problem is that during the 1880's and early 1900's the yeomanry were a law unto themselves. A case of I think what Whitehall don't see don't matter.
Here's a couple for the Scots.
The QOLY are not mentioned, well before there time, I'm not sure if you are wanting the full regtimental lineage or just staying with the lowland's?
Fifeshire and Perthshire Light Horse Volunteers blue facings.
Forfarshire Light Horse Volunteers Blue facings.
East Lothian Yeomanry blue facings.
Ayrshire Yeomanry blue facings.
Lanarkshire Yeomanry scarlet facings.
As for 1950 yeoman sorry, but regulars. I could give you a list of facings if that would help. TA/yeomanry someone else may have better info.
The West Riding of Yorkshire is described as maroon or dark scarlet and french grey or light blue. not sure if I've managed either!
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regards
WF

I'm sorry I haven't replied to you Raray, I have some notes from the Dress Committee, but am in the middle of packing for a house move, so bear with me.
Nice picture wfrad, competition eh! Good to see

This one's from the new CD on Yeomanry uniforms from 1880 to 1940

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Thanks Wfrad and Admin,
I've been collecting info on the post-war regiments of the commonwealth for years. I've got a lot of info (history, lineages, battle honours, Guidons/Colours, etc) from different books and from other sites (especially regiments.org, hopefully soon resurrected). Dress, especially for the yeomanry, is one area where I have big gaps. This is one of the reasons I was excited about finding this site! Hopefully this site and the CDs can fill in some those gaps and confirm some of my speculations!

Hi
Believe me there's definitely no competition,
The only thing that I'm certain of is that the collar badge was introduced around 1912.
I'm also not quite sure about the buttons, dress regulations 1900 shows two rows of seven, I believe the belt should have covered the bottom buttons.
The colour on the CD seems to be more bright scarlet than dark scarlet or maroon. which colour's correct?
Also the stable belt on the CD shows Yellow, yet the info I have for 1914 is in facing colours, when did the belt change or again, which one's correct?
For the uniform I've only Ray Westlake & Mike Chappell's Territorial Units as a reference, and that plate shows more brown that red. Having only one source to go buy does sometimes lead to silly mistakes.
The problem with printers and computers, is that they print what bloody colour they want, regardless what you see on the screen, and say red could mean any one of fifty shades.
Any further info welcome.
Regards
WF

There are so many variations that I am unsure what is correct and what is not sometimes.
I have seen references for maroon, dark scarlet, dark red.
Certainly the colour appears lighter than that but it is meant to be a dark red without approaching maroon.
The belt, I am unsure, I'd have to dig through the books for that, which are all over my floor and in boxes at the moment.
Some day I'll get organised.

"The Yeomanry Force at the 1911 Coronation" (volume 10 of the Olgiby Trust series covering the uniforms of the British Yeomanry Force) describes the East Riding of Yorkshire Yeomanry as having yellow girdles with two scarlet stripes running through. Two crimson stripes for officers. The lancer tunics are described as being "regimental maroon", whatever precise shade of dark red that was. The narrative accompanying a coloured plate of an officer of the regiment in 1908 appearing in "50 Years of Yeomanry Uniforms" by R.G. Harris, refers to the tunic as being claret or maroon. All very subtle distinctions.

Further to the above there is a well lit colour photograph of an actual uniform in a website "East Riding Treasures online" maintained by the East Riding of Yorkshire Council. Here the tunic appears not claret, maroon or dark red but a slightly darkish shade of scarlet. What a fascinating but frustrating hobby this is!

Hey you want frustrating, try doing something like this when you're color blind! I only see the brightest reds and greens. Everything else is lost to me! So WF, you're ERY uniform looks really good, but unfortunately, it looks grey to me!

Here’s a thought, maybe they just wore what ever colour went with there eye’s.
So the bottom line; red something tunic, a belt with a Yellow girdle and two red something bands?
Should I start again and do another one, I wonder
Could it also be the regiment getting new uniforms, cheaper but of a different shade, maybe not quite getting the dye match quite right?
After all most of the original recruits were from Yorkshire farms, and a Yorkshire farmer is very canny with his pennies.
buistR have you a photo of the uniform?
RaRay I had a chief clerk who was colour blind, he used to ask for help when redoing the wall charts.
I’ll leave it up to your imagination what used to happen. The OC never seemed to have a sense of humour!

Colour blind and a uniform researcher, that's an interesting combination. Good for you.
The yellow and red girdle was standard for Lancer units of the British Army, and as the ERoYY were 'lancers' they wore the same girdle.
The Essex Yeomanry, of the same time, wore a green dragoon style uniform with brass metal helmet (red falling plume) and their girdle was green with red stripes.
I do love it when everything follows a set pattern, not!
A great area of research, and as I wrote it (smug bugger aren't I), I commend the new CD to you all. It has a few full dress plates but lots more undress and early khaki uniforms (1901 to 1914) which I have found more interesting due to a lack of readily available information.

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Hello wfrad - a link to the West Riding of Yorkshire Yeomanry officer's full dress uniform on museum display is given below. It is part of the East Riding Treasures Online website which has just gone offline - hopefully just for routine maintenance. I will keep an eye on it and advise when it is up and running again.

When you do get to access the photograph you won't be able to copy it because of one of those irritating sole-ownership blocks. However everyone is free to look at the uniform and make their own call about whether the tunic is dark scarlet, red, maroon, claret, crimson, red-brown etc. I would say darkish scarlet myself. Another ERYY uniform in the same collection is that of an RSM c1960. It is the standard No 1 dress blues of the period but with silver shoulder chains and light blue trouser stripes.

Another source that I stumbled across was a pair of articles in old issues of Military Modelling (April and May 1983). The writer Major R. Wilson provides a good deal of detail on the regimental uniforms both before and during WWI. He confirms that the officers' girdle was "gold lace 2 1/2 inches wide with two crimson silk stripes". Then he goes on to describe (and illustrate) the other ranks' girdle as "light blue with two maroon stripes". Conflicting evidence or simply a change in pattern for other ranks from the standard lancer's yellow with red stripes sometime between 1910 and 1914? More than likely the latter in view of the reputation of Yeomanry units in general for satorical originality. Certainly a regiment that was still wearing French grey (light blue) pagris on its sun helmets as late as 1917 while on active service in Palestine, doesn't seem to have been unduly bound by regulations. Incidentally, Major Wilson's colour illustrations show the full dress tunic as darkish red verging on crimson.

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Thanks BuistR.
A means of distinction between officer and other ranks.
So really, everyone’s correct depending on the year.
Red tunic going on crimson, girdle, officers the regulation yellow with OR’s of facing colour!
You made a good point about the Yeomanry and there apparent disregard for dress regulations.
It seems though it wasn’t just the Yeomanry, the whole bloody Territorial Army seemed to have ignored the dress regulations.
It also may just be simply, why pay for new uniforms until the old uniform wears out. I've seen a couple of photo's of regimental camps where there appears to be a mix of old and new.
Could also be new recruits given an old uniform to just get them away with, I would think that maybe some of the smaller units wouldn't carry a large stock of uniforms.
Thanks for the link, I'll give it a week or so and see if it's working again.
Regards
WF