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British Army Officers rank
Hello,
Upon several information, I have produced the rank insignia of British army officers during 1922 to 1928. If there is any mistake, please correct me.
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Regards
Shams
Upon several information, I have produced the rank insignia of British army officers during 1922 to 1928. If there is any mistake, please correct me.
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Shams
sbintayab- Posts : 137
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Chart
Hi Shams,
Very nice illustrations, you may want to alter the shape of the crown.
Regards
WF
Very nice illustrations, you may want to alter the shape of the crown.
Regards
WF
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Re: British Army Officers rank
Good job on this and the Indian Army VCO rank insignia charts!
The only error I cans see is that you appear to be using the St. Edwards crown style which has only been in use since Elizabeth II ascended to the throne in 1952. Edward VII, George V, Edward VIII, and George VI all used the Tudor crown which is slightly different looking. I believe the pips may have been different as well but I am not 100% certain on that.
Any plans to do the NCOs and warrant officers?
The only error I cans see is that you appear to be using the St. Edwards crown style which has only been in use since Elizabeth II ascended to the throne in 1952. Edward VII, George V, Edward VIII, and George VI all used the Tudor crown which is slightly different looking. I believe the pips may have been different as well but I am not 100% certain on that.
Any plans to do the NCOs and warrant officers?
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Re: British Army Officers rank
Thanks Wfrad and ChrisF202. Despite the crown and pips error, I think no error is in the chart or image.
I have a plan to draw complete rank history of British army officers from 1830 to 1928. So far I have collected information. But I want to know about the collar and cuff design of General officers (Gen, Lt Gen, Maj Gen, Brig Gen) and Colonel on the staff of 1874 which was described in the Dress regulations 1874. Can you help me about these information?
After doing this, I may give attention on the rank history of NCO and WO of British army.
Regards
Shams
I have a plan to draw complete rank history of British army officers from 1830 to 1928. So far I have collected information. But I want to know about the collar and cuff design of General officers (Gen, Lt Gen, Maj Gen, Brig Gen) and Colonel on the staff of 1874 which was described in the Dress regulations 1874. Can you help me about these information?
After doing this, I may give attention on the rank history of NCO and WO of British army.
Regards
Shams
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Hussar 1855-1881
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Dragoon and Dragoon Guards 1868-1881
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Except 6th Dragoon Guards
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Royal Engineers 1855-1881
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Royal Artillery and Royal Horse Artillery 1855-1881
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6th Dragoon Guards 1855-1881
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Facings
Hi Shams.
I believe that from the 1830's the Hussars had blue facings.
For example in 1830 the Hussars had red pelisses with blue facings.
I believe that from the 1830's the Hussars had blue facings.
For example in 1830 the Hussars had red pelisses with blue facings.
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Heavy Dragoon and Dragoon Guards 1855-1868
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RE: Facing
Thanks wfrad.
Ok I will modify the hussar rank badges.
Thanks again.
Shams
Ok I will modify the hussar rank badges.
Thanks again.
Shams
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Re: British Army Officers rank
Awesome job.
I have one question, how was rank insignia worn on the officer's 'patrol jacket'? Was it worn on the collars?
I have one question, how was rank insignia worn on the officer's 'patrol jacket'? Was it worn on the collars?
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Re: British Army Officers rank
Thanks ChrisF202. As per the dress regulations, I have found that, only field officers wore rank badges on the collar during 1855-1881 in patrol dress.
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Shams
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Re: British Army Officers rank
Thanks! That's what I had thought, however I thought maybe they also had black cuff braiding as wellsbintayab wrote:Thanks ChrisF202. As per the dress regulations, I have found that, only field officers wore rank badges on the collar during 1855-1881 in patrol dress.
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Patrol jacket
Chris,
For myself, confusion reigns over the patrol jacket and tunic.
Tunics carried rank badges on the collar until directed to move the badges from the collar onto the shoulder in 1880, some regiments didn't comply immediately.
I don't believe that rank badges were carried on the patrol jacket collar, I'm unable to find a direct reference to the position of rank badges for the patrol jacket.
Although some illustrations and old photographs appear to confirm that badges were not worn on the patrol jacket collar I'm unable to confirm it that was indeed the case.
Also the variety of jackets with each regiment having it's own design doesn't help.
Maybe an expert can help.
For myself, confusion reigns over the patrol jacket and tunic.
Tunics carried rank badges on the collar until directed to move the badges from the collar onto the shoulder in 1880, some regiments didn't comply immediately.
I don't believe that rank badges were carried on the patrol jacket collar, I'm unable to find a direct reference to the position of rank badges for the patrol jacket.
Although some illustrations and old photographs appear to confirm that badges were not worn on the patrol jacket collar I'm unable to confirm it that was indeed the case.
Also the variety of jackets with each regiment having it's own design doesn't help.
Maybe an expert can help.
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Household Cavalry 1857-1881
Royal Horse Guards-
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In Life Guards regiments (1st and 2nd Life Guards), Uniforms- Scarlet and Facing- dark blue.
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In Life Guards regiments (1st and 2nd Life Guards), Uniforms- Scarlet and Facing- dark blue.
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General Officers 1864-1881
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Re: British Army Officers rank
I will take some extra times to complete the illustrations. After completion, I will upload the illustrations. I apology for that.
Regards
Shams
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General Officers 1831-1855
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Foot Guards 1830-1855
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1- Field Officers, Grenadier Guards, 1830
2- Field Officers, Grenadier Guards, 1831
3- Field Officers, Grenadier Guards, 1831-1837
4- Field Officers, Grenadier Guards, 1837-1855
5- Captain, Grenadier Guards
6- Subalterns, Grenadier Guards
7- Field Officers, Coldstream Guards
8- Captain, Coldstream Guards
9- Subalterns, Coldstream Guards
10- Field Officers, Scots Fusilier Guards
11- Captain, Scots Fusilier Guards
12- Subalterns, Scots Fusilier Guards
1- Field Officers, Grenadier Guards, 1830
2- Field Officers, Grenadier Guards, 1831
3- Field Officers, Grenadier Guards, 1831-1837
4- Field Officers, Grenadier Guards, 1837-1855
5- Captain, Grenadier Guards
6- Subalterns, Grenadier Guards
7- Field Officers, Coldstream Guards
8- Captain, Coldstream Guards
9- Subalterns, Coldstream Guards
10- Field Officers, Scots Fusilier Guards
11- Captain, Scots Fusilier Guards
12- Subalterns, Scots Fusilier Guards
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Infantry Officers (Except Fusilier, Light, Rifles and Highlanders) 1831-1855
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1- Colonel
2- Lieutenant Colonel
3- Major
4- Captain, Battalion Company
5- Subalterns, Battalion Company
6- Company officers, Light Infantry Company
7- Company officers, Fusilier or Grenadier Company.
From 1831, All officers were ordered to wear epaulettes and wings on both shoulders. Stripes of epaulettes are the facing colors of the regiment.
1- Colonel
2- Lieutenant Colonel
3- Major
4- Captain, Battalion Company
5- Subalterns, Battalion Company
6- Company officers, Light Infantry Company
7- Company officers, Fusilier or Grenadier Company.
From 1831, All officers were ordered to wear epaulettes and wings on both shoulders. Stripes of epaulettes are the facing colors of the regiment.
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